Re: [sig-nir] Re: VNNIC's Position about IPv6 Fee Abolishing Proposal

  • To: Paul Wilson <pwilson at apnic dot net>
  • Subject: Re: [sig-nir] Re: VNNIC's Position about IPv6 Fee Abolishing Proposal
  • From: David Chen <david at twnic dot net dot tw>
  • Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 09:35:57 +0800
  • Cc: sig-nir at lists dot apnic dot net, Izumi Okutani <izumi at nic dot ad dot jp>, chku at twnic dot net dot tw
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    • Dear Paul,
      
      Thanks for the feedback. It's very helpful for us.
      
      Best Regards,
      
      David
      
      
      Paul Wilson wrote:
      
      
      Hi David,
      
      
      In any case where an allocation is justified by existing IPv4 address holdings, the discount will apply.
      
      
      However please note that for administrative reasons, there is a minimum charge for any allocation. For an IPv6 allocation to an Extra Large member, this is approximately USD$140. This minimum charge is not discounted.
      
      I hope that helps.
      
      Paul.
      
      
      
      
      --On Wednesday, 20 July 2005 5:00 PM +0800 David Chen <david at twnic dot net dot tw> wrote:
      
      
      Dear Paul,
      
      This is David Chen from TWNIC. May I have a question about the discount
      rule?
      
      My question is, if one existing IPv6 initial allocation space holder
      wants to implement the prop-021-v001 policy to expand IPv6 allocation
      space which is more than /32, can the subsequent allocation address
      space be applied the 90% discount by using their IPv4 infrastructure?
      Could you please clarify this for us, thank you very much!
      
      Best Regards,
      
      David
      
      
      Izumi Okutani wrote:
      
      
      Thank you for the explanation Paul.
      Any comments or questions on this?
      
      Izumi
      
      Paul Wilson wrote:
      
      
      
      Dear all,
      
      Firstly, let's be clear that the discount applies to fees for the
      allocation of IPv6 address space to existing IPv4 infrastructure.  It
      does not apply to allocations of IPv6 space to new networks, nor to
      subsequent allocations of IPv6 space to networks that have already
      transitioned to IPv6.  I hope that this is clear in all documentation
      related to this policy, including the revised fee structure that was
      recently published.
      
      The rationale for this discount is that the allocation of IPv6 to
      existing IPv4 infrastructure is intended to be a lightweight process,
      relying on the fact that the network infrastructure has already been
      assessed and IPv4 address space allocated.  In other words the "work"
      has been done already in the previous IPv4 application, and it is not
      
      justified to charge the same fees for an allocation of (IPv6) addresses
      to that same infrastructure.
      
      
      The APNIC EC did initially discuss a 100% fee discount for these cases, but felt on consideration that since some administrative activities are
      involved in making these allocations, some fee payment is justified.
      
      
      I hope that this explanation helps, but please let me know if any other
      issues are not clear.
      
      Best regards, and I look forward to seeing you all in Hanoi,
      
      Paul.
      
      --On Wednesday, 20 July 2005 2:13 PM +0900 Izumi Okutani
      <izumi at nic dot ad dot jp> wrote:
      
      
      
      
      Thanks to NIRs for expressing your comments. I think we should keep
      
      this proposal("prop-028-v001:Abolishing IPv6 per address fee for NIRs")
      active as most NIRs wish to continue discussions on this issue.
      
      
      Now that APNIC has implemented the 90% discount on the per address fee,
      I believe the situation has changed since it was initially proposed.
      Just to start off the discussions, I would like to ask some questions
      to both NIRs and APNIC.
      
      
      It seems that 90% is almost as good as free, so would someone from the
      NIRs share with us why you wish the per address fee to be totally
      abolished instead of the discount?
      
      I'd also like to ask the reverse question to APNIC. Was there any
      
      reason why APNIC has made the decision to provide the discount instead of totally abolishing the fee as proposed by the NIRs? It would also be helpful if APNIC could explain the logic behind the fee change so that
      we can compare it with what has been proposed by the NIRs.
      
      Any other imputs from non-NIRs/APNIC are also very welcome. Any
      thoughts on the APNIC fee change or NIR proposal?
      
      
      Izumi
      
      Phan Thi Nhung wrote:
      
      
      
      
      Dear Billy,
      
      I'm sorry for the delay answer. After talking within VNNIC Hostmaster Team, we agree to keep this proposal active and discuss at the NIR SIG
      at the APNIC 20. See you all in Ha Noi.
      Regards.
      Nhung.
      
      
      
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