Re: [sig-nir] prop-054: NIR operational policy document revision

  • To: Izumi Okutani <izumi at nic dot ad dot jp>
  • Subject: Re: [sig-nir] prop-054: NIR operational policy document revision
  • From: Terry Manderson <terry at apnic dot net>
  • Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:29:56 +1000
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    • Izumi and All,
      
      
      Actually, we have been discussing this internally and we have come to the conclusion that the 6 month issue is in the "disadvantages" section and does not get reflected in the policy document itself.
      
      
      Given that we are actually trying to make the situation less prescriptive for both NIR and APNIC alike, how about we simply drop the commitment paragraph:
      
            To ensure that NIRs have enough time to adapt to the changes,
            the APNIC Secretariat will commit to a six-month notice period
            between announcing changes to the system and expected
            implementation by NIRs.
      
      
      Our intention was to soften the issue that the NIR may have to make changes to their systems.
      
      
      It also was suggested that for some small changes in operation a month might be sufficient or for larger concerns a much longer time required. The point being that we will discuss changes with you well in advance.
      
      Cheers
      Terry
      
      On 22/02/2008, at 1:08 PM, Izumi Okutani wrote:
      
      
      Do you have further comments on Terry's response, Shin?
      
      Comments on other NIR are also welcome.
      
      Feel free to express questions, comments, or  even a simple expression
      of support is also a useful input :-).
      
      izumi
      
      Terry Manderson wrote:
      
      Hi Shin,
      
      
      Shin wrote:
      - Do you support moving the technical descriptions of managing
      reverse DNS zone out of 'Operational policies for National Internet
      Registries in the APNIC region' and onto the APNIC website?
      Currently I cannot find the equivalent part of section 3.4 of
      APNIC-103-v001 in the web page stated in the proposal:
      http://www.apnic.net/services/dns_guide.html
      Unless APNIC clearly describes all required procedures in the page
      before Policy SIG in APNIC 25, it is difficult to support this part.
      The best I could bend backward is that APNIC posts the content of
      the addendum to the web page to this mailing list.
      Without that, it could be blind approval for non-existent procedure.
      
      
      I will endeavour to create a draft of that page, or furnish the
      information that will be provided on that url to the list before the
      meeting.
      
      However you can expect that it would simply reflect the preferred
      methods for updating the DNS, those being MyAPNIC and the XML/REST
      
      API. We clearly need to be careful about releasing the API information
      as it isn't yet a member wide service.
      
      
      In the Disadvantages: part in the Pros/Cons section, | To ensure
      that NIRs have enough time to adapt to the changes, | the APNIC
      Secretariat will commit to a six-month notice period | between
      announcing changes to the system and expected |      implementation
      by NIRs.
      I prefer to change this to: To ensure that NIRs have enough time to
      adapt to the changes, the APNIC Secretariat will commit to at least
      six-month notice period  between announcing changes to the system
      and expected implementation by NIRs.
      
      
      Given that our development process is transparent, such that we are
      
      quite overt about upcoming work in the secretariat that may affect the
      NIRs. I'm guessing that your concern directly relates to your ability
      
      implement in 6 months assuming that you hadn't heard of it previously.
      So in applying this to future (not already scheduled) changes..
      
      How does this sound as an alternative?
      -----
      To ensure that NIRs have enough time to be both aware of the changes
      and adapt their systems to the changes, the APNIC Secretariat will
      commit to the following notice periods:
      	1) Notification of development or work-in-progress of three(3) to
      Six(6) months, prior to:
      	2) A six(6) month notice period to implementation by the NIR.
      -----
      
      
      The notice period can be extended upon request from APNIC or an NIR.
      
      I think I would find this acceptable if the request came with
      
      supporting reasons why the request needs to be extended, such that the
      reason for extension is in the best interests of the common good for
      continuous improvement or a direct conflict with another APNIC
      operational change at that time.
      
      Cheers
      Terry
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