Re: [sig-policy] prop-085: Eligibility for critical infrastructureassign

  • To: "Leo Vegoda" <leo.vegoda at icann dot org>, <gaurab at lahai dot com>, <rhhwang at gmail dot com>, "Terry Manderson" <terry at terrym dot net>, "Sam Dickinson" <sam at apnic dot net>, "Izumi Okutani" <izumi at nic dot ad dot jp>
  • Subject: Re: [sig-policy] prop-085: Eligibility for critical infrastructureassignments from the final /8
  • From: "Terence Zhang YH" <zhangyinghao at cnnic dot cn>
  • Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:23:22 +0800
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      From the recent discussion about critical infrastructure 
      assignments during the final /8 phase, I feel people 
      might have different interpretation about certain definition
      and policy statement, there may be some ambiguity
      need to be clarify. 
      
      So, it will be helpful if Sam or Guangliang
      from the secretariat can clarify the following points: 
      
      1. According to current policy & pratice, 
         is the block 203.119.0.0/16 purely reserved for critical infrastructure
         assignments? 
      
      2. According to the current final /8 policy, 
         9.10 Distribution of the final /8 worth of space in the unallocated APNIC IPv4 address pool
         When the total remaining space in the unallocated APNIC address pool reaches a threshold
         of a total of one /8, the following policies will come into force.....
      
         So in APNIC's practice, will there be a single reserved /8 prefix address block or  
         simply the total of /8 equivalent size of address block?
      
      3. According to the current final /8 policy & practice, will the current assignment policy
         11. Assignments and exchanges
         remain in effect during the final /8 phase(no matter it's a single block or not)?
      
      4. (This is the one I try to secure)
         According to the current final /8 policy & practice, 
         if the 203.119.0.0/16 block still have available space during the final /8 phase, 
         can an account holder request and receive an assignment from that block under the 
         11.3 Critical infrastructure policy?
      
      I think I had summurized the ambiguous points, but if there are some points I neglected,
      I appreciate every one can add that in. 
      
      I just receive Sam's post while I am composing this, so I think some of the above
      may already be addressed, but it will be more helpful if Sam can give 
      clarification to the above points explicitly. 
      
      
      Thanks & Regards
      
      Terence Zhang
      
      
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Izumi Okutani" <izumi at nic dot ad dot jp>
      To: "Terence Zhang YH" <zhangyinghao at cnnic dot cn>
      Cc: <sig-policy at lists dot apnic dot net>
      Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 12:01 PM
      Subject: Re: [sig-policy] prop-085: Eligibility for critical infrastructureassignments from the final /8
      
      
      > Hi Terence and all,
      > 
      > 
      >> Because the final /8 is high unlikely to be a single stand alone /8
      > block,
      >> according to the policy, it means
      >>  'When the total remaining space in the unallocated APNIC address pool
      > reaches a
      >> threshold of a total of one /8'
      >>
      >> So the remaining space in the reserved Critical Infrastructure block
      > is very likely
      >> to become a component of the final /8 space. Assignment/Allocation
      > from that block has to
      >> conform with the final /8 policy during final /8 phase,  so the policy
      > has
      >> to permit critical infrastructure assignment in order to continue use
      > the CI block
      >> for assignment purpose.
      > 
      > Okay. I understand your point.
      > 
      > Your interpretation for the final /8 policy is "the total of /8
      > equivalent size of address block" (not a single /8 prefix)
      > 
      > .. so 203.119.0.0/16 reserved today will no longer be reserved for
      > Critical Infrastructure assignments during the final /8 phase.
      > 
      > I was assuming that there will be a specific /8 block reserved for the
      > final /8 policy, so 203.119.0.0/16 will remain untouched.
      > 
      > (but I could be wrong and see this part is ambigous)
      > 
      >> Given the recent discussion, I think it may be helpful for me to
      > consolidate certain ambiguous points and
      >> let the secretariat clarify.
      > 
      > I agree.
      > 
      > 
      > Izumi
      > 
      > Terence Zhang YH wrote:
      >> Hi Izumi and all, 
      >> 
      >>> I support the idea of making sure critical infrastructures can receive
      >>> IPv4 space, but I think we can accomodate this needs from the reserved
      >>> block we have today. (as shown by the data)
      >> 
      >> Yes, from the statistics, me too feel it may be enough space to accomodate 
      >> new Critical Infrastructure assignments in the reserved block.
      >> 
      >>> Would it solve your problem if we explictly state
      >>> "Critical Infrastructure assignments will be continued to be allowed
      >>> until the current reserved block for Critical Infrastructures runs out"?
      >> 
      >> Yes, if we can continue to allow that, I am happy enough. 
      >> It doesn't matter where the assignments come from, 
      >> actually it would be better if they still come from the reserved block.
      >> 
      >> So the thing I want to secure is Critical Infrastrucure assignments 
      >> from that reserved block are still permitted during the final /8 phase. 
      >> 
      >> Because the final /8 is high unlikely to be a single stand alone /8 block, 
      >> according to the policy, it means 
      >>  'When the total remaining space in the unallocated APNIC address pool reaches a 
      >> threshold of a total of one /8'
      >> 
      >> So the remaining space in the reserved Critical Infrastructure block is very likely 
      >> to become a component of the final /8 space. Assignment/Allocation from that block has to 
      >> conform with the final /8 policy during final /8 phase,  so the policy has 
      >> to permit critical infrastructure assignment in order to continue use the CI block 
      >> for assignment purpose. 
      >> 
      >>  Regards
      >> 
      >> Terence Zhang
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