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APNIC Member Meeting Seoul, Korea, 3 March 2000

Minutes

START 09:20

1. INTRODUCTION

Tommi Chen (Chair) opened the meeting and congratulated Geoff Huston for election as Chair of ISOC Board of Trustees.

2. ANNUAL REPORT 1999

Paul Wilson (Director General)

3. FINANCIAL REPORT 1999

Kyoko Day (Business Manager)

Questions and discussion

Statements of thanks were made on behalf of APNG and APIA for APNIC's assistance during 1999.

4. EXECUTIVE COUNCIL REPORT

Tommi Chen, Chair

The Chair acknowledged the new APNIC logo. He reported that APNIC's financial position is now very strong, that APNIC is continuing to grow, and that the growth raises the possibility of a need for future staff expansion. It was reported that APNIC has been very active in ICANN issues and this involvement will continue.

Paul Wilson was congratulated for doing a great job as Director General and the past Director General, David Conrad, was officially acknowledged. The other current EC members were introduced to the meeting.

Kyoko Day made a presentation of thanks and a gift to David Conrad and Yoshiko Chong.

5. WORKPLAN FOR 2000

Paul Wilson presented Workplan for coming year.

6. BUDGET 2000

Kyoko Day presented Budget proposal for coming year.

It was explained that APNIC expects around 200 new members this year.

Questions and discussion (Budget)

It was explained that Australian GST only applies to payments made by AU members. APNIC is regarded as an "exporter" of services to members outside AU, and actually receives a tax advantage because of that.

It was further explained that the increase in budgeted operating expenses is due to many new projects such as the PKI project and the planned acquisition of new accounting software. As a professional service firm APNIC needs to consult with more professional companies for assistance. Also, the ICANN expense will be $63,000. Administering a larger membership also requires a bigger staff and increased expenses.

A request was made for a more detailed breakdown of expenses to be prepared. It was then discussed that APNIC needs membership feedback on level of detail the members require for future reports.

The level of the cash reserve was discussed. It is currently equal to twelve months of operating expenses, which the EC has asked APNIC to maintain. There is no plan yet to cut membership fees, as there are still several unknown factors this year that will require caution and continued financial stability of APNIC is critical.

A request was made that in the future the budget be published after the EC meeting but before AMM, so that members can review it in advance.

On the subject of the ICANN payment, it was explained that APNIC expects its contribution to be around 15% of total the RIR share. This is worked out as a rational split according to RIR budgets, turnovers, and to a certain extent the IP holdings. The proportion could change over time. At present, the RIR share of ICANN funding is equal to 10% of ICANN budget. A suggestion was made, and agreed to, that half of the next ICANN contribution for Financial Year July 2000 to June 2001 (US$30K) should be in current APNIC budget for 2000.

Questions and discussion (Workplan)

There was discussion of the process for developing the ICANN contract and appointing ASO members. It was explained that a meeting with APNIC legal advisers is scheduled for soon after AMM. It was suggested that this review should follow the general process outlined in Document Review Policy.

A request was made for more detailed reports by EC when making decisions, so that APNIC members will understand the consensus process.

There was discussion of the use of postal or email voting for the issue of the APNIC-ICANN relationship. It was requested that the relevant provision in the By-Laws be trialled. In response, it was clarified that the function of the EC, according to APNIC Bylaws, is to act on behalf of APNIC membership between meetings.

COFFEE BREAK 11:05 - 11:30

7. SIG REPORTS

IPv6 SIG
Summary presented by Akira Kato (WIDE/JP).

No questions

Address policy SIG
Summary presented by Takashi Arano (ASO/JPNIC/NTT)

It was explained that MoU requires an Address policy meeting at least annually. From the call for proposals for this SIG, five proposals were received from the public and six were prepared by APNIC.

Questions and discussion

There was discussion of the original reasons for establishing confederations (national language handling and different cultural and technological environments) and then the reasons for the suspension of the category (extra complexity of ensuring implementation of policies).

The items recorded as consensus items from the SIGs were outlined and consensus was sought from the Member Meeting to proceed with these items.

Implementation of Net61
It was proposed that APNIC make an announcement on its mailing lists to begin normal allocations from Net61 three months from the date of that announcement.

  • Show of hands indicated consensus.

Resource leasing policy
It was discussed that this policy is a good idea, but appears to need more discussion of implementation details.

  • No consensus sought.

Handling personal information on the APNIC database

  • To be subject of a further proposal.

ISP confederations
It was proposed that there be no new ISP confederations, with the clarification that existing ISP confederations would not be unreasonably affected.

  • Preliminary show of hands revealed no consensus.
  • It was resolved to continue suspension of new confederation memberships pending future discussion.

Lowering minimum allocation size from /19 to /20
It was proposed that APNIC make an announcement on its mailing lists to lower minimum allocation to /20 three months from the date of that announcement.

  • Show of hands indicated consensus.

Web-based hosting

  • Proposal requires more research.

Other SIG topics deferred for more research.

Routing SIG
Summary presented by Philip Smith.

DNS Security SIG
Matthias Koerber gave oral summary.

It was explained that this SIG did not appear to raise much public interest, but it was hoped that interest in DNSsec will increase over the next year.

Database SIG
Joao Damas gave oral summary.

It was explained that this SIG was short and poorly attended and that little input was received on the availability of encryption software. However, the APNIC certification project was described as being very interesting.

Paul Wilson: Extended thanks to all SIG chairs for their time. Although some were not well attended it is hoped that improved definition of the SIGs at the next meeting will increase the level of interest in some of the topics.

Gifts were presented by APNIC Secretariat to SIG chairs.

It was discussed that the SIGs are valuable and that SIG mailing lists should be set up to improve their results.

LUNCH 12:15 - 13:15

8. NEW MEMBERSHIP AGREEMENT

Gerard Ross presented explanation of the new draft of the membership agreement.

Questions and discussion

It was expressed that the contract must reflect the democratic structure of APNIC. A comment was made that the proposed draft looks commercial in nature and uses a "trick" to implement the democratic principle. It was suggested that some linguistic changes were necessary. In response, it was explained that the democracy principle is taken very seriously by APNIC and reflected in the Recitals of the new membership agreement. However, it was suggested that problems of consistency could arise by duplicating clauses in the By-Laws and membership agreement and that it may be safer to keep these documents separate.

It was proposed that a special group or task force discuss the continuation of this document.

9. VOTING ISSUES

Issue 1: MEMBERSHIP FEE STRUCTURE
Paul Wilson presented New Member Fee Structure

Questions and discussion

There was discussion of the possibilities for pro-rata and multiple membership options; however, concern was expressed that requiring separate memberships for IPv4 and IPv6 could discourage the take-up of IPv6.

It was clarified that the APNIC budget for 2000 anticipates the proposal at hand, but that the expected impact on revenues is minimal.

A question was raised as to the possibility of an ASN membership category.

It was agreed to amend the proposal regarding the issues of "combined allocations" and "pro-rata charges", prior to the formal vote. (Amendments to proposal available at http://www.apnic.net/meetings/amm2000/proposals/Amendments.htm).

Issue 2: IPv6 FEE FOR CONFEDERATIONS
Paul Wilson presented the proposal.

Questions and discussion

It was discussed that due to current lack of experience with IPv6, amendments relating requiring a future review of fee structure should be made to the proposal. It was also discussed that it is preferable to refer to "per-SLA" fees rather than "per-site" fees. (Amendments to proposal available at http://www.apnic.net/meetings/amm2000/proposals/Amendments.htm).

10. ADDRESS COUNCIL ELECTIONS

Paul Wilson presented Explanation of AC Election process

Questions and discussion

There was discussion as to the pros and cons of an open election. RIPE NCC and ARIN reported no problems with AC elections held during their open policy meetings. There was also discussion of issues such as the possibility of a membership category for AC voting purposes rather than resource allocations and a voter registration process to ensure fairness of AC election. Comment was made that open voting would require setting the frequency and certainty of voting times. It was suggested that an open meeting gives too much advantage to host country. It was also suggested that all AC members should attend RIR meetings in their region.

  • A show of hands was called on the proposal to have an open voting process. A full consensus was not achieved, but there was very little opposition noted.

11. VOTING PROCEDURES

EC nominees introduced

  • Takashi Arano
  • Che-Hoo Cheng
  • Geoff Huston (not present; spoken for by Mark Prior)
  • Srinivas Mulugu
  • Ronald Wiplinger

  • Explanation of voting procedures

  • Procedures and forms explained by Paul Wilson.
  • Amendments to proposals to be displayed on projection screen during voting period (see http://www.apnic.net/amm2000/present/index.html#election).
  • Volunteers (non-members) called for to count votes.
  • Request made that one EC member be present during vote counting.

  • COFFEE BREAK AND VOTING 15:35 - 16:10

    12. OTHER REPORTS

    ARIN
    Richard Jimmerson presented ARIN RIR Report.

    Questions and discussion

    Discussion of usage of class A space and general address consumption.

    LACNIC
    German Valdez presented LACNIC status report.

    AfriNIC
    Yan Kwok and Abdulai Sani Mohammed presented AfriNIC status report.

    13. COLLABORATION FOR ASIAN INTERNET DEVELOPMENT

    Toru Takahashi presented discussion of need for various cooperative efforts within the region, especially the Asia Internet Foundation.

    17:10

    14. NEXT MEMBER MEETING

    It was reported that there had been no response to the first call for proposals for the next member meeting. The Secretariat has proposed holding the meeting in Brisbane during October if no other suggestions are received. It was decided that more proposals would be called for, with final a decision to be made by the EC in early April.

    It was suggested that the next meeting be a three-day "conference" style meeting, with two days for open policy and technical tracks and one day for member business. Open AC elections are also to be conducted at this meeting.

    • Show of hands indicated consensus for holding the next member meeting in approximately six months.

    15. ELECTION RESULTS

    Issue 1: Fee Structure Proposal

    • Yes 118; No 27.
    • Proposal carried.

    Issue 2: IPv6 Fee Structure for Confederations

    • Yes 134; No 6.
    • Proposal carried.

    Issue 3: EC Elections

    Successful candidates:

    • Takashi Arano 88
    • Chee-Hoo Cheng 115
    • Geoff Huston 80

    17:05 Meeting closed

     

    LIST OF ATTENDEES

    NAME

    ORGANISATION

    Kuniaki KONDO

    Asia Internet Holding, Co. Ltd

    Abdulai Sani Mohammed

    Africa Network Information Center

    Yann Kwok

    Africa Network Information Center

    Irvan Nasrun

    Asosiasi Penyelenggara Jasa Internet Indonesia (APJII)

    Park Youn

    Asia Infonet Co.,Ltd.

    Supachai Kitwongpak

    Asia Infonet Co.,Ltd.

    Bremen Lee

    AT and T

    Chuluunsuren Sukhbaatar

    Bodicomputer Co., Ltd

    Xing Li

    CERNET

    Chen Li

    CHINA TELECOM

    Hou Chunmei

    CHINA TELECOM

    Kou Dongmei

    CHINA TELECOM

    Liu Xiaoyi

    CHINA TELECOM

    Aaron Ma

    China Internet Corporation

    Ole Jacobson

    CISCO

    Philip Smith

    CISCO System

    Srinath B

    CISCO

    Srinivas Mulugu

    CISCO System

    Qian Hualin

    Chinese academy of science

    Wei Mao

    CNNIC

    Xia Qing

    CNNIC

    Zhang Wenhui

    CNNIC

    Steve Bartholomen

    Concert

    Mark Prior

    connect.com.au

    Che-Hoo Cheng

    The Chinese Univ of HK

    Cliff Ko

    Cable and Wireless Network Services

    Hong Gul Ryo

    DACOM BORANet

    Kim Sona

    DACOM BORANet

    Stephen Ngo

    Digital Telecommunications, Inc. Phils.

    James Spenceley

    DOT Communications Pty Ltd

    Harishankar Gupta

    Department of Telecommunications

    Toru Takahashi

    The Internet Association of Japan

    Tommi Chen

    Oh Kwang Sok

    KRNIC

    Kuo-Wei Wu

    Yam Digital Technology, Inc.

    Sharif Torpis

    Exodus

    Barbara Roseman

    Global Crossing

    Damien O'Rourke

    Global Center

    Christian Balzer

    Global Online Japan / Exodus Communications KK

    German Valdez

    NIC-Mexico

    Axel Pawlik

    RIPE NCC

    Joao Luis Silva Damas

    RIPE NCC

    Nurani Nimpuno

    RIPE NCC

    David Conrad

    Richard Allen Jimmerson

    ARIN

    Hong-Chan Ma

    ChungHwa Telecom Co., Ltd.

    Cho Man Fai

    HKNet

    NAOYUKI INOUE

    HKNET COMPANY LIMITED

    Nemo Tse

    HKNet

    C.K. Ng

    Cable and Wireless HKT

    Wai Kay Shiu

    Cable and Wireless HKT

    Brian Lu

    IBM Global Services Australia

    Soojeong Lee

    PSINet Korea Inc.

    Supachok Jantarapatin

    Internet Thailand

    Insik Park

    Infonet Services Corporation

    Kazuhiro Kimura

    infonet

    JR Contreras

    IPhil Communications Network, Incorporated

    Shaheen Mahmud Iqbal

    Information Services Network

    Dr Kaku (Guo Feng)

    JENS Corp

    Kazu Yamamoto

    IIJ

    MAEMURA Akinori

    JPNIC

    Masayoshi Toya

    Japan Network Information Center

    Naomasa Maruyama

    JPNIC

    Ruri Hiromi

    JPNIC

    Shigeki Goto

    JPNIC

    Tsukasa Ogino

    FastNet,Inc.

    Yoshihiro OBATA

    Internet Research Institute Inc.

    Yoshiko

    Japan Network Information Center

    Yoshiyuki Ezura

    JPNIC

    Kazushi Hisa

    KDD telecomet HK Ltd

    Byung Kyu Kim

    KRNIC

    Kim, Weon

    KRNIC

    Kum, Jin-Hee

    KRNIC

    Seung-Min Lee

    KRNIC

    Julian Dunayevich

    Latin America Network Information Center

    Jayantha Samarakoon

    MTT NETWORK (PVT) LTD

    Suchit Nanda

    Nanda Telecom Pvt Ltd

    Angkana Angkalukkana

    NECTEC

    Jumpot Phuritatkul

    NECTEC

    Supachok Jantarapatin

    NECTEC

    Richard Vander Reyden

    PSINet Australia

    Takenori Kobayashi

    System Planning Dept.

    Debra Kelly

    NeuStar, Inc.

    Bill Wardcock

    Zocalo

    Dirk Hetzer

    Deutsche Telecom

    Takashi ARANO

    NTT Communicaitons

    Alan Lee

    NTT MSL Sdn Bhd

    Nicholas Kraal

    NTT MSL Sdn Bhd

    Lim Hock Koon

    Pacific Internet Limited

    Wong Kok Hoou

    Pacific Internet Limited

    Roy Resurreccion

    PLDT Co

    Rey Canlas

    PhilWorld Online Corp.

    Chen Chun Min

    SGNIC Pte Ltd

    T.K. Umardevi

    SGNIC Pte Ltd

    Pai, Jin-Yuan

    New Silkera Network

    Mathias Korba

    Singnet

    Eric Chan

    SmarTone Mobile Communications Ltd

    Zainudin Jamil

    Telekom Malaysia

    Uzied Dhn

    Telecom Malaysia

    Dr.Nopparat M.

    Telephone Organization of Thailand

    Peter WK Chan

    Fame Union Company Ltd

    Johnson Ma

    Wang's Trace Tech. Enterprise Co., Ltd

    Ronald Wiplinger

    Wang's Trace Tech. Enterprise Co., Ltd

    Lee-Ming Tseng

    Taiwan Network Information Center

    Lillian Chiang

    Taiwan Network Information Center

    Nain-Sing Chen

    Taiwan Network Information Center

    Shian-Shyong Tseng

    Taiwan Network Information Center

    Shih-Chiung Ouyang

    Taiwan Network Information Center

    Wen-Sung Chen

    Taiwan Network Information Center

    Dr Thanakorn Uan-on

    Office of Information Technology Administration for Educational Development

    Nitima Jitjumnong

    Office of Information Technology Administration for Educational Development

    Unnop Viriyavit

    Office of Information Technology Administration for Educational Development

    Nghiem Xuan Tinh

    VDC/ VNPT

    Nguyen Kuan Cuong

    Vietnam Ports and Telecoms

    Sant Kumar Chalka

    Videsh Sanchar Nigam Limited

    Akira Kato

    WIDE Project

    Jun Murai

    Keio University

    Seiji Ariga

    WIDE Project

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