Minutes

IX SIG

Wednesday 1 September 2004, Sheraton Fiji Resort, Nadi, Fiji

Meeting commenced: 11:15 am

Chair: Philip Smith

The Chair introduced the SIG and explained the agenda.

Contents

  1. Open action items
  2. JPNAP update
  3. BDIX update
  4. NPIX update
  5. NIXI update
  6. VNIX update
  1. Open action items

  2. Philip Smith, Cisco

    The Chair reported that there were no open action items.

    Top

  3. JPNAP update

  4. Toshinori Ishii, Internet Multifeed Co.

    Presentation [pdf]

    This speaker gave an update on the JPNAP, a commercially-operated IX in Japan run by Internet Multifeed Co. The speaker discussed the development of JPNAP as the first commercial IX in Japan to offer a 10GE interface, and highlighted the increasing number of customers for this service. He also touched on JPNAP6, an IX service supporting IPv6.

    The speaker reported that legal crackdowns on P2P use in Japan appear to have had a significant impact on traffic through JPNAP. He reported that JPNAP has also been the victim of a segment hijack, and that the organisation now recommends that ISPs filter out JPNAP prefixes by BGP prefix filter.

    Questions and discussion

    • There was some discussion regarding a comprehensive list of IXes in the region from which a prefix list could be compiled. It was suggested that it would be useful for someone to compile such a list.

    Action items

    • None.

    Top

  5. BDIX update

  6. Gaurab Raj Upadhaya, Lahai

    Presentation [pdf]

    This presentation was made on behalf of Bangladesh Internet Exchange and included an outline of the equipment, policies and difficulties faced by BDIX. The speaker noted that up to 16 ISPs can connect to BDIX, though he expressed reservations as to whether the reception would handle this number simultaneously. He described some of the connection services which BDIX is providing to local ISPs, and reported that while traffic to date has been relatively low, there was reason to expect rapid growth.

    The speaker also discussed a number of issues faced, concerning the need for public AS numbers. He reported that most members of BDIX are not APNIC members, and thus did not have their own AS numbers, however this situation has apparently begun to change.

    Questions and discussion

    • A question was asked regarding BDIX policy on peering private ASes. The speaker noted that BDIX will not let people use private ASes to peer.
    • There was some discussion about the physical difficulties in connecting to BDIX due to problems such as flooding, and of the benefits of locating ISPs and IXPs in the same building to allow best-quality connections. The speaker noted that BDIX is not located in a dedicated data centre.
    • There was discussion regarding the perceived difficulties of obtaining an AS number, and the mistaken impression held by some upstream providers that providing an AS number will increase the cost to them. Attention was drawn to recent a APNIC policy clarification which addressed this.

    Action items

    • None.

    Top

  7. NPIX update

  8. Gaurab Raj Upadhaya, Lahai

    Presentation [pdf]

    This speaker presented an update on the Nepal IX. He reported that the IX now has two switches approximately 3km apart, which at this point are not connected. The speaker reported healthy growth in the amount of traffic coming through NPIX, and that Nepal Telecom has recently connected to NPIX. He reported a single day traffic on the day of the School Leaving Certificate of 2MB, which compares to 5MB for all of last year. There are currently six ISPs connected to NPIX, and the organisation is currently looking at IPv6 peering, a routing registry (still in development), and cache share. They are also in negotiations to mirror a root server, and a .np slave at the IX.

    Questions and discussion

    • There was a question as to whether NPIX provided web caching hierarchy. NPIX has two options of using someone else cluster or installing their own.
    • A question was asked about mirroring major websites. The speaker reported that NPIX currently mirrors .np, and is looking at further options.
    • The speaker pointed out that one of Nepal biggest content providers has recently moved into the building to be NPIX.

    Action items

    • None.

    Top

  9. NIXI update

  10. Gaurab Raj Upadhaya, Lahai

    Presentation [pdf]

    The speaker gave a report on NIXI, a neutral IX operating in India, with switches in a number of cities, including Delhi and Mumbai. He noted the difficulties faced in the Indian industry because of the lack of peering between ISPs.

    Questions and discussion

    • There was extensive discussion of the fact that in India very few ISPs are peering, with examples of ISPs in the same city that have established peering through NIXI because of government regulation, but which are not using that connection, and instead route traffic via the US. The problem was characterised as a lack of trust between ISPs, which have been reluctant to share information.
    • There was discussion regarding the problems India presents for running Layer2 connections over long distances. Solutions have involved using Layer3 transport between exchanges, but there is little documentation of these solutions.
    • There was a question regarding what effect the new government in India had had on this situation. It was noted that at this point it has made very little difference.
    • There was a question regarding use of private ASes to get started, which the speaker and Chair felt was problematic, but possible. The questioner outlined some of the difficulties in setting up an ISP and getting a public AS number, particularly coordinating with local peering providers. The Chair pointed out that some IXes had misunderstood APNIC policy on AS number assignment that was clarified in an earlier proposal.

    Action items

    • None.

    Top

  11. VNIX update

  12. Gaurab Raj Upadhaya, Lahai

    The speaker gave a brief presentation on Vietnam IX in Hanoi. He noted that as of several months ago there were four ISPs connected, one of which has a optical connection. He also mentioned plans to upgrade to an L2 switch, and that a second POP was recently opened in Ho Chi Mihn City, which is getting more traffic than the Hanoi operation. He concluded by noting that VNIX is involved with BDIX in negotiations to mirror a root server.

    Questions and discussion

    • None.

    Action items

    • None.

Meeting closed: 12:25 pm

Minuted by: Chris Buckridge

Top

Open action items

  • None.

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