APRICOT 2006

NIR SIG

Minutes

Wednesday 1 March 2006, Perth Convention and Exhibition Centre, Perth, Australia

Meeting commenced: 2:00 pm

Chair: Izumi Okutani

The Chair introduced the SIG and explained the agenda, noting that there will also be a separate session to discuss fees structure issues.

Maemura Akinori explained the background to the new fee structure session, which is intended to provide a more open discussion of the fee issues.

Contents

  1. Open action items
  2. KRNIC update
  3. CNNIC update
  4. Routing table statistics - a new service in TWNIC
  5. Reverse DNS lookup failure and lessons learned
  1. Open action items

  2. Izumi Okutani

    Presentation [ppt | pdf]

    • Action nir-19-001: James Shim from KRNIC to make suggestions to APNIC to expand the ERX FAQ to include information relevant to NIR members. (APNIC 20 - No update) (APNIC 21 - no further update so item closed).

    • Action nir-20-001: Chair to refer proposal [prop-028-v001] to APNIC Member Meeting to seek further consensus. Done.

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  3. KRNIC update

  4. Jin-man Kim, KRNIC

    Presentation [ppt | pdf]

    This is a presentation about projects in the KRNIC region, including ERX, personal data protection, Internet Resource Management System upgrade, and the Korean Internet Operation Conference.

    ERX work has been underway since 2001 and KRNIC began to cooperate with APNIC in 2003. The presenter noted the amount of address space that has been transferred. KRNIC fees will be applied to transferred ERX resources in 2007.

    There have been increasing demands for personal data protection. In response, in 2004, KRNIC recommended that ISPs should add whois policies to their customers. KRNIC now allows certain parts of end user assignment information to be hidden. In the future, the entire assignment records may be hidden.

    KRNIC's Internet Resource Management System has been upgraded to allow real time whois updates and increased automation. IP address and AS number management interfaces are now available to ISPs for their own use. The presenter gave an overview of the Internet Resource Management System, showed samples of the interface, and gave a demonstration of the live system.

    The presenter also noted that KRNIC held the Korean Internet Operation Conference in December 2005, which had more than 300 participants.

    Questions and discussion

    • The presenter noted that larger ISPs can use the communication program to make bulk updates to the Internet Resource Management System.
    • There was a request for the code of the Internet Resource Management System to be shared with other regions. There was a discussion of the architecture of the system. It was noted that the Internet Resource Management System uses XML.
    • It was noted that the Korean Internet Operation Workshop is now called Korean Internet Operation Conference.
    • It was noted that the DNS SIG will include a demonstration of APNIC's technology under development to manage DNS records, which is also based on XML.

    Action items

    • None.

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  5. CNNIC update

  6. Edward Chen, CNNIC

    Presentation [ppt | pdf]

    The presentation included statistics of CNNIC membership and address allocation services. CNNIC now has 168 members. The presenter described the distribution of IP address usage across China. CNNIC held two member meetings in 2005.

    Some CNNIC members are finding problems with new IP address blocks not being available for some networks. CNNIC is now announcing newly allocated blocks on its web site. Other CNNIC members are also finding problems with their IP addresses being added to black lists. CNNIC is seeking help from APNIC to deal with this problem.

    Questions and discussion

    • It was noted that APNIC has a de-bogon project underway now, which is intended to help deal with some of the availability problems being experienced in China. This project is also described in the current issue of Apster.
    • There was a general discussion about the program of the CNNIC member meeting and the types of issues that are raised by the memberships. It was noted that CNNIC has a formal policy procedure to help resolve complaints or problems.
    • There was a discussion about how CNNIC helps members to remove their space from black lists. CNNIC tries to contact the parties involved in filtering address space.

    Action items

    • None.

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  7. Routing table statistics - a new service in TWNIC

  8. Ching-Heng Ku, TWNIC

    Presentation [ppt | pdf]

    This presentation described a new TWNIC service to provide routing table statistics query system as well as other TWNIC activities.

    TWNIC held two open policy meetings in 2005 and hosted several training courses and workshops. The presenter noted several TWNIC systems, including the Resource Management System, the looking glass project, bandwidth connectivity survey system (which produces an interactive map of interconnectivity within Taiwan and between Taiwan and other economies).

    TWNIC is developing a routing table statistics query system. The project analyses the BGP routing table, based on a weekly collection of BGP statistics. The system can produce a variety of statistical reports based on these statistics, including routing aggregation, IP and ASN routing entries, comparison of whois and routing table, and statistics by prefix. The presenter gave a demonstration of the system. TWNIC is also willing to share details of this project with other NIRs.

    Questions and discussion

    • None.

    Action items

    • None.

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  9. Reverse DNS lookup failure and lessons learned

  10. Toshiyuki Hosaka, JPNIC

    Presentation [pdf]

    This presentation is also intended to be given to the DNS Operations SIG. In October 2003, there was a DNS lookup failure which affected JPNIC and KRNIC address space, including APNIC ERX ranges. The cause of the failure was reported on the APNIC web site as being related to a security update which led to the accidental removal of some reverse DNS delegations.

    The failure caused some connection denials and email delivery problems. The impact varied according to the settings in each service. The presenter noted that reverse DNS lookups remains as a critical infrastructure service. He also noted that ISPs need immediate reporting of such problems and need to be able to point their customers to "official information". It was suggested that telephone and fax contacts may be more appropriate than web or email contacts in these circumstances.

    The presenter made several recommendations to avoid or mitigate this problem in future. The recommendations stressed the need for NIR/RIR cooperation, escalation procedures, and speedy communications. It was also recommended that APNIC's maintenance window should not be on weekends and that APNIC staff should be contactable at all times.

    Questions and discussion

    • A representative from APNIC thanked the presenter for the report and noted that there will be a further presentation at the DNS Operations SIG about the improvements that are being developed to avoid this problem. It was noted that there have been increasing demands for DNS management which have complicated the system. APNIC will present a roadmap for DNS management services during the DNS Operations SIG.
    • It was also noted that APNIC does have technical staff on call at all times, but has not previously made their contact details public. APNIC is now providing 24 hour contact information to NIRs for problems such as this.
    • It was noted that there was discussion of this problem during JANOG. It was suggested that the criticality of reverse DNS lookups depends on the applications being used. It was also suggested that in some cases, customers may demand compensation from their ISPs. This points to the need for appropriate Service Level Agreements (SLAs).

    Action items

    • None.

Meeting closed: 3:15 pm

Minuted by: Gerard Ross

Open action items

  • None.

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