APNIC Member Meeting Seoul, Korea, 3 March 2000
Minutes
START 09:20
1. INTRODUCTION
Tommi Chen (Chair) opened the meeting and congratulated Geoff Huston for election as Chair of ISOC Board of Trustees.
2. ANNUAL REPORT 1999
Paul Wilson (Director General)
3. FINANCIAL REPORT 1999
Kyoko Day (Business Manager)
Questions and discussion
Statements of thanks were made on behalf of APNG and APIA for APNIC's assistance during 1999.
4. EXECUTIVE COUNCIL REPORT
Tommi Chen, Chair
The Chair acknowledged the new APNIC logo. He reported that APNIC's financial position is now very strong, that APNIC is continuing to grow, and that the growth raises the possibility of a need for future staff expansion. It was reported that APNIC has been very active in ICANN issues and this involvement will continue. Paul Wilson was congratulated for doing a great job as Director General and the past Director General, David Conrad, was officially acknowledged. The other current EC members were introduced to the meeting. Kyoko Day made a presentation of thanks and a gift to David Conrad and Yoshiko Chong.
5. WORKPLAN FOR 2000
Paul Wilson presented Workplan for coming year.
6. BUDGET 2000
Kyoko Day presented Budget proposal for coming year.
It was explained that APNIC expects around 200 new members this year.
Questions and discussion (Budget)
It was explained that Australian GST only applies to payments made by AU members. APNIC is regarded as an "exporter" of services to members outside AU, and actually receives a tax advantage because of that. It was further explained that the increase in budgeted operating expenses is due to many new projects such as the PKI project and the planned acquisition of new accounting software. As a professional service firm APNIC needs to consult with more professional companies for assistance. Also, the ICANN expense will be $63,000. Administering a larger membership also requires a bigger staff and increased expenses.
A request was made for a more detailed breakdown of expenses to be prepared. It was then discussed that APNIC needs membership feedback on level of detail the members require for future reports. The level of the cash reserve was discussed. It is currently equal to twelve months of operating expenses, which the EC has asked APNIC to maintain. There is no plan yet to cut membership fees, as there are still several unknown factors this year that will require caution and continued financial stability of APNIC is critical. A request was made that in the future the budget be published after the EC meeting but before AMM, so that members can review it in advance. On the subject of the ICANN payment, it was explained that APNIC expects its contribution to be around 15% of total the RIR share. This is worked out as a rational split according to RIR budgets, turnovers, and to a certain extent the IP holdings. The proportion could change over time. At present, the RIR share of ICANN funding is equal to 10% of ICANN budget. A suggestion was made, and agreed to, that half of the next ICANN contribution for Financial Year July 2000 to June 2001 (US$30K) should be in current APNIC budget for 2000.
Questions and discussion (Workplan)
There was discussion of the process for developing the ICANN contract and appointing ASO members. It was explained that a meeting with APNIC legal advisers is scheduled for soon after AMM. It was suggested that this review should follow the general process outlined in Document Review Policy. A request was made for more detailed reports by EC when making decisions, so that APNIC members will understand the consensus process. There was discussion of the use of postal or email voting for the issue of the APNIC-ICANN relationship. It was requested that the relevant provision in the By-Laws be trialled. In response, it was clarified that the function of the EC, according to APNIC Bylaws, is to act on behalf of APNIC membership between meetings.
COFFEE BREAK 11:05 - 11:30
7. SIG REPORTS
IPv6 SIG
Summary presented by Akira Kato (WIDE/JP).
No questions
Address policy SIG
Summary presented by Takashi Arano (ASO/JPNIC/NTT)
It was explained that MoU requires an Address policy meeting at least annually. From the call for proposals for this SIG, five proposals were received from the public and six were prepared by APNIC.
Questions and discussion
There was discussion of the original reasons for establishing confederations (national language handling and different cultural and technological environments) and then the reasons for the suspension of the category (extra complexity of ensuring implementation of policies). The items recorded as consensus items from the SIGs were outlined and consensus was sought from the Member Meeting to proceed with these items.
Implementation of Net61
It was proposed that APNIC make an announcement on its mailing lists to begin normal allocations from Net61 three months from the date of that announcement.
- Show of hands indicated consensus.
Resource leasing policy
It was discussed that this policy is a good idea, but appears to need more discussion of implementation details.
Handling personal information on the APNIC database
- To be subject of a further proposal.
ISP confederations
It was proposed that there be no new ISP confederations, with the clarification that existing ISP confederations would not be unreasonably affected.
- Preliminary show of hands revealed no consensus.
- It was resolved to continue suspension of new confederation memberships pending future discussion.
Lowering minimum allocation size from /19 to /20
It was proposed that APNIC make an announcement on its mailing lists to lower minimum allocation to /20 three months from the date of that announcement.
- Show of hands indicated consensus.
Web-based hosting
- Proposal requires more research.
Other SIG topics deferred for more research.
Routing SIG
Summary presented by Philip Smith.
DNS Security SIG
Matthias Koerber gave oral summary.
It was explained that this SIG did not appear to raise much public interest, but it was hoped that interest in DNSsec will increase over the next year.
Database SIG
Joao Damas gave oral summary.
It was explained that this SIG was short and poorly attended and that little input was received on the availability of encryption software. However, the APNIC certification project was described as being very interesting. Paul Wilson: Extended thanks to all SIG chairs for their time. Although some were not well attended it is hoped that improved definition of the SIGs at the next meeting will increase the level of interest in some of the topics. Gifts were presented by APNIC Secretariat to SIG chairs. It was discussed that the SIGs are valuable and that SIG mailing lists should be set up to improve their results.
LUNCH 12:15 - 13:15
8. NEW MEMBERSHIP AGREEMENT
Gerard Ross presented explanation of the new draft of the membership agreement.
Questions and discussion
It was expressed that the contract must reflect the democratic structure of APNIC. A comment was made that the proposed draft looks commercial in nature and uses a "trick" to implement the democratic principle. It was suggested that some linguistic changes were necessary. In response, it was explained that the democracy principle is taken very seriously by APNIC and reflected in the Recitals of the new membership agreement. However, it was suggested that problems of consistency could arise by duplicating clauses in the By-Laws and membership agreement and that it may be safer to keep these documents separate. It was proposed that a special group or task force discuss the continuation of this document.
9. VOTING ISSUES
Issue 1: MEMBERSHIP FEE STRUCTURE
Paul Wilson presented New Member Fee Structure
Questions and discussion
There was discussion of the possibilities for pro-rata and multiple membership options; however, concern was expressed that requiring separate memberships for IPv4 and IPv6 could discourage the take-up of IPv6. It was clarified that the APNIC budget for 2000 anticipates the proposal at hand, but that the expected impact on revenues is minimal. A question was raised as to the possibility of an ASN membership category. It was agreed to amend the proposal regarding the issues of "combined allocations" and "pro-rata charges", prior to the formal vote. (Amendments to proposal available at http://www.apnic.net/meetings/amm2000/proposals/Amendments.htm).
Issue 2: IPv6 FEE FOR CONFEDERATIONS
Paul Wilson presented the proposal.
Questions and discussion
It was discussed that due to current lack of experience with IPv6, amendments relating requiring a future review of fee structure should be made to the proposal. It was also discussed that it is preferable to refer to "per-SLA" fees rather than "per-site" fees. (Amendments to proposal available at http://www.apnic.net/meetings/amm2000/proposals/Amendments.htm).
10. ADDRESS COUNCIL ELECTIONS
Paul Wilson presented Explanation of AC Election process
Questions and discussion
There was discussion as to the pros and cons of an open election. RIPE NCC and ARIN reported no problems with AC elections held during their open policy meetings. There was also discussion of issues such as the possibility of a membership category for AC voting purposes rather than resource allocations and a voter registration process to ensure fairness of AC election. Comment was made that open voting would require setting the frequency and certainty of voting times. It was suggested that an open meeting gives too much advantage to host country. It was also suggested that all AC members should attend RIR meetings in their region.
- A show of hands was called on the proposal to have an open voting process. A full consensus was not achieved, but there was very little opposition noted.
11. VOTING PROCEDURES
EC nominees introduced
Takashi Arano Che-Hoo Cheng Geoff Huston (not present; spoken for by Mark Prior) Srinivas Mulugu Ronald Wiplinger
Explanation of voting procedures
Procedures and forms explained by Paul Wilson. Amendments to proposals to be displayed on projection screen during voting period (see http://www.apnic.net/amm2000/present/index.html#election). Volunteers (non-members) called for to count votes. Request made that one EC member be present during vote counting.
COFFEE BREAK AND VOTING 15:35 - 16:10
12. OTHER REPORTS
ARIN
Richard Jimmerson presented ARIN RIR Report.
Questions and discussion
Discussion of usage of class A space and general address consumption.
LACNIC
German Valdez presented LACNIC status report.
AfriNIC
Yan Kwok and Abdulai Sani Mohammed presented AfriNIC status report.
13. COLLABORATION FOR ASIAN INTERNET DEVELOPMENT
Toru Takahashi presented discussion of need for various cooperative efforts within the region, especially the Asia Internet Foundation.
17:10
14. NEXT MEMBER MEETING
It was reported that there had been no response to the first call for proposals for the next member meeting. The Secretariat has proposed holding the meeting in Brisbane during October if no other suggestions are received. It was decided that more proposals would be called for, with final a decision to be made by the EC in early April. It was suggested that the next meeting be a three-day "conference" style meeting, with two days for open policy and technical tracks and one day for member business. Open AC elections are also to be conducted at this meeting.
- Show of hands indicated consensus for holding the next member meeting in approximately six months.
15. ELECTION RESULTS
Issue 1: Fee Structure Proposal
- Yes 118; No 27.
- Proposal carried.
Issue 2: IPv6 Fee Structure for Confederations
- Yes 134; No 6.
- Proposal carried.
Issue 3: EC Elections
Successful candidates:
- Takashi Arano 88
- Chee-Hoo Cheng 115
- Geoff Huston 80
17:05 Meeting closed
LIST OF ATTENDEES
NAME
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ORGANISATION
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Kuniaki KONDO |
Asia Internet Holding, Co. Ltd |
Abdulai Sani Mohammed |
Africa Network Information Center |
Yann Kwok |
Africa Network Information Center |
Irvan Nasrun |
Asosiasi Penyelenggara Jasa Internet Indonesia (APJII) |
Park Youn |
Asia Infonet Co.,Ltd. |
Supachai Kitwongpak |
Asia Infonet Co.,Ltd. |
Bremen Lee |
AT and T |
Chuluunsuren Sukhbaatar |
Bodicomputer Co., Ltd |
Xing Li |
CERNET |
Chen Li |
CHINA TELECOM |
Hou Chunmei |
CHINA TELECOM |
Kou Dongmei |
CHINA TELECOM |
Liu Xiaoyi |
CHINA TELECOM |
Aaron Ma |
China Internet Corporation |
Ole Jacobson |
CISCO |
Philip Smith |
CISCO System |
Srinath B |
CISCO |
Srinivas Mulugu |
CISCO System |
Qian Hualin |
Chinese academy of science |
Wei Mao |
CNNIC |
Xia Qing |
CNNIC |
Zhang Wenhui |
CNNIC |
Steve Bartholomen |
Concert |
Mark Prior |
connect.com.au |
Che-Hoo Cheng |
The Chinese Univ of HK |
Cliff Ko |
Cable and Wireless Network Services |
Hong Gul Ryo |
DACOM BORANet |
Kim Sona |
DACOM BORANet |
Stephen Ngo |
Digital Telecommunications, Inc. Phils. |
James Spenceley |
DOT Communications Pty Ltd |
Harishankar Gupta |
Department of Telecommunications |
Toru Takahashi |
The Internet Association of Japan |
Tommi Chen |
|
Oh Kwang Sok |
KRNIC |
Kuo-Wei Wu |
Yam Digital Technology, Inc. |
Sharif Torpis |
Exodus |
Barbara Roseman |
Global Crossing |
Damien O'Rourke |
Global Center |
Christian Balzer |
Global Online Japan / Exodus Communications KK |
German Valdez |
NIC-Mexico |
Axel Pawlik |
RIPE NCC |
Joao Luis Silva Damas |
RIPE NCC |
Nurani Nimpuno |
RIPE NCC |
David Conrad |
|
Richard Allen Jimmerson |
ARIN |
Hong-Chan Ma |
ChungHwa Telecom Co., Ltd. |
Cho Man Fai |
HKNet |
NAOYUKI INOUE |
HKNET COMPANY LIMITED |
Nemo Tse |
HKNet |
C.K. Ng |
Cable and Wireless HKT |
Wai Kay Shiu |
Cable and Wireless HKT |
Brian Lu |
IBM Global Services Australia |
Soojeong Lee |
PSINet Korea Inc. |
Supachok Jantarapatin |
Internet Thailand |
Insik Park |
Infonet Services Corporation |
Kazuhiro Kimura |
infonet |
JR Contreras |
IPhil Communications Network, Incorporated |
Shaheen Mahmud Iqbal |
Information Services Network |
Dr Kaku (Guo Feng) |
JENS Corp |
Kazu Yamamoto |
IIJ |
MAEMURA Akinori |
JPNIC |
Masayoshi Toya |
Japan Network Information Center |
Naomasa Maruyama |
JPNIC |
Ruri Hiromi |
JPNIC |
Shigeki Goto |
JPNIC |
Tsukasa Ogino |
FastNet,Inc. |
Yoshihiro OBATA |
Internet Research Institute Inc. |
Yoshiko |
Japan Network Information Center |
Yoshiyuki Ezura |
JPNIC |
Kazushi Hisa |
KDD telecomet HK Ltd |
Byung Kyu Kim |
KRNIC |
Kim, Weon |
KRNIC |
Kum, Jin-Hee |
KRNIC |
Seung-Min Lee |
KRNIC |
Julian Dunayevich |
Latin America Network Information Center |
Jayantha Samarakoon |
MTT NETWORK (PVT) LTD |
Suchit Nanda |
Nanda Telecom Pvt Ltd |
Angkana Angkalukkana |
NECTEC |
Jumpot Phuritatkul |
NECTEC |
Supachok Jantarapatin |
NECTEC |
Richard Vander Reyden |
PSINet Australia |
Takenori Kobayashi |
System Planning Dept. |
Debra Kelly |
NeuStar, Inc. |
Bill Wardcock |
Zocalo |
Dirk Hetzer |
Deutsche Telecom |
Takashi ARANO |
NTT Communicaitons |
Alan Lee |
NTT MSL Sdn Bhd |
Nicholas Kraal |
NTT MSL Sdn Bhd |
Lim Hock Koon |
Pacific Internet Limited |
Wong Kok Hoou |
Pacific Internet Limited |
Roy Resurreccion |
PLDT Co |
Rey Canlas |
PhilWorld Online Corp. |
Chen Chun Min |
SGNIC Pte Ltd |
T.K. Umardevi |
SGNIC Pte Ltd |
Pai, Jin-Yuan |
New Silkera Network |
Mathias Korba |
Singnet |
Eric Chan |
SmarTone Mobile Communications Ltd |
Zainudin Jamil |
Telekom Malaysia |
Uzied Dhn |
Telecom Malaysia |
Dr.Nopparat M. |
Telephone Organization of Thailand |
Peter WK Chan |
Fame Union Company Ltd |
Johnson Ma |
Wang's Trace Tech. Enterprise Co., Ltd |
Ronald Wiplinger |
Wang's Trace Tech. Enterprise Co., Ltd |
Lee-Ming Tseng |
Taiwan Network Information Center |
Lillian Chiang |
Taiwan Network Information Center |
Nain-Sing Chen |
Taiwan Network Information Center |
Shian-Shyong Tseng |
Taiwan Network Information Center |
Shih-Chiung Ouyang |
Taiwan Network Information Center |
Wen-Sung Chen |
Taiwan Network Information Center |
Dr Thanakorn Uan-on |
Office of Information Technology Administration for Educational Development |
Nitima Jitjumnong |
Office of Information Technology Administration for Educational Development |
Unnop Viriyavit |
Office of Information Technology Administration for Educational Development |
Nghiem Xuan Tinh |
VDC/ VNPT |
Nguyen Kuan Cuong |
Vietnam Ports and Telecoms |
Sant Kumar Chalka |
Videsh Sanchar Nigam Limited |
Akira Kato |
WIDE Project |
Jun Murai |
Keio University |
Seiji Ariga |
WIDE Project |
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